We do not, nor have we ever, lived in a culture the devalues non-sexual relationships between men.
galesofnovember:
missvoltairine:
I think I’ve been really, genuinely confused about people saying that non-sexual, strong friendships are devalued in contemporary society, and that (men in particular) are expected to leave their platonic friendships behind for a romantic/sexual relationship (with a woman) and this equals ace erasure
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Like I actually genuinely wonder how some people could get the message that platonic relationships aren’t important in (Western, contemporary) culture. Not even touching the misogyny & homophobia aspect of how male-male platonic friendships are idealized (b/c women can’t be TRUE intellectual partners to men, but men still need inferior ladies for sex, b/c men can’t have sex with each other, that would be gay and sully the perfect perfectness of two bros being bros), we are BOMBARDED with messages about close platonic friendships being THE MOST IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIPS. Constantly.
So, to be blunt, people are not getting the message that platonic relationships are unimportant and that’s why I have little patience with this annoying Sherlock asexual fandom shit. They aren’t being motivating by some counter-cultural narrative that they want to insert into pop culture. They’re being motivated by standard issue misogyny and homophobia in defense of a misogynistic, homophobic and TOTALLY UNIVERSAL pop culture narrative.
There is nothing new or progressive about freaking out at the idea that your favorite genre fiction bro is going to get a girlfriend/wife and that will ruin his awesome manly bro relationship. There’s equally nothing new about freaking about because someone put some homo-erotic in your homosocial.
Now, I agree that women get the message that platonic friendships need to be put aside for heterosexual romance. And that’s why Babysitter’s Club or Anne of Green Gables* doesn’t have the kind of social acceptability of still being into Star Wars or comic books. And why I read James Dickey’s poems about his daddy and Raymond Carver’s short stories about his bros and Alan Ginsberg’s poem about his bros and fucking his bros but we never read any But smart, geeky girls get a double-mindfuck of a message where not only are we (unlike dudes) expected to put away our childish things, but we also get the message that interest heterosexual romantic relationships makes them vapid and uninteresting.
If you want to be a cool girl, if you want to be Not Like Those Other Girls and like Serious Things. Then that means you have to fling yourself into devotion to stories about Bros and their Platonic Bro-mances. So if you’re a geeky girl, and a girl whose not so into sexual relationships (either because you’re just not or because your repressing some love for the ladies), then it’s so encouraged to ramp up that internalized misogyny (and deny those sapphic urges!) and decide that What Really Speaks to You is your standard Western Literary obsession with bros.
And like, I feel that. I was am a geeky girl with little interest in sex/romance and some repressed Sapphic urges and I wanted to be the coolest nerd and so I read Tim O’Brien and I read James Joyce and when some dude English professor dismissed Oranges are Not the Only Fruit as “a book girls read in college”, I cringed because I didn’t want to be That Kind of Girl.
But it’s not okay and it’s not healthy and it’s not your oppressed sexual identity that needs more representation.
*speaking of the homoerotic.